, has a lot to do with morality and religion and the fact that the -- the forces -- it's become more and more acceptable in our society to have children out of wedlock, and in particular, in the african-american community, and it's too bad. >> and the -- if social science does show anything, it is the correlation between two-parent families and achievement. >> absolutely, and, you know, that was also politically incorrect to say for a long time. i mean, that's the reason, you know, when daniel patrick pointed this out in the 1960s, he got such a fire storm of criticism, he stopped. brave a man as he was, he had nothing to do with this issue the rest of his career, but now it's becoming increasingly recognized on both sides of the aisle as roger says, you name a social pathology whether it's dropping out of school, getting into trouble with the law, you know, whatever, and there's a strong correlation between it and growing up in a home without a father. particularly, for boys. >> this gentleman right here. we're going to have to draw this to a close in a couple minutes. this is the n